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OliverJohnstone
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OliverJohnstone
Re: Eu referendum.
13th May 2016 at 4:42PM
On the issue of the ever closer union not applying to Britain, even Remain commentators have highlighted that this protection secured by the PM is largely symbolic and actually doesn't translate into anything tangible.

We already have a President and a Foreign Affairs representative no one voted for and a flag no one recognises. Without genuine protections we will not be immune from the closer integration.
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sam39
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sam39
Re: Eu referendum.
13th May 2016 at 7:19PM
Lets start again and forget trivial disagreements.
I have long thought that the migration problem, as perceived, is not really about EU migrants but about non EU migrants. I used to drive through Longsight every day and saw a change in attitude, dress, and behaviour. But that is not what we are talking about. We already control non EU migration through our own points based system. My question is why we get so upset about EU migration. Just this month, HMRC has produce an analysis of the tax and benefit details of EU migrants in 2013-2014. The figures are Tax and NI paid: £3.11B, tax credits and child benefits claimed £560M, net gain to the exchequer £2.55B. Why are we getting so worked up up about Poles, Germans, Latvians, Austrians, Swiss, Hungarians, Romanians, Czechs, Spanish, Portugese etc coming here to do jobs Brits will not do? I find it puzzling.
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Pedestrian
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Pedestrian
Re: Eu referendum.
13th May 2016 at 10:36PM, Edit: 13th May 2016 at 11:58PM by Pedestrian
"coming here to do jobs Brits will not do?"

That might be true in a few cases Sam but not in most.

You say that you used to drive through Longsight, was this before the Eastern European Roma community settled there?

You quote "The figures are Tax and NI paid: £3.11B, tax credits and child benefits claimed £560M, net gain to the exchequer £2.55B."

No mention of Housing benefit/Council tax benefit?
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slim
Townsperson

slim
Re: Eu referendum.
14th May 2016 at 6:35AM
Well whether it's EU or non eu or uk nationals on the benifits fiddle it costs around £1.2 billion a year where as tax evasion/avoidance costs around £34billion a year but the government by spin have made us all believe that it's benifit fraud that's costing the country the most.
For me it's stay in as I believe we need to be aligned and included in a big organisation for safety and trade purposes .
The USA seem to have made there postition clear and why would the commonwealth have us back as an equal member .
Government figures for 2014 show €570 million euros spent on 4000 projects creating 104 thousand jobs in the north west of England that year .
You might say that's our money any way ? But I don't believe for one minute that this government would have spent that money in the area I fear Cameron and his cronies far more than EU closer ties .
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sam39
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sam39
Re: Eu referendum.
14th May 2016 at 9:07AM
Pedestrian: There is quite a lot of evidence that EU migrants do jobs that British workers will not do - particularly in Agriculture. But let me approach this question another way - are EU migrants taking jobs that British workers want? At present, the unemployment rate in the UK is 5% (that is the lowest since the late seventies despite the growth in the workforce), there are about 1.7M persons seeking employment - most of these are moving between jobs. EU migrants mainly work in agriculture, domestic service (office cleaning etc), retail, hospitality, and health and social care. These are mostly minimum wages jobs, some require hard physical labour, unsocial hours, and unpleasant duties. About 100000 EU migrants per year come to do these jobs. Many work for limited periods and return home. If British workers wanted these jobs, why are there vacancies available to EU migrants?
I know nothing about the Roma in Longsight.
The HMRC figures do not include Housing or Council Tax benefits. I can not find these figures broken down by nationality. I will make a generous guess that neither of these benefits is more than £500M in total - so I will give you an extra £1B (and do not forget the Benefits cap applied from April 2013), That reduces the net gain to the Treasury to £1.55B.
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Serenity
Citizen

Serenity
Re: Eu referendum.
14th May 2016 at 2:14PM, Edit: 14th May 2016 at 2:27PM by Serenity
I understand what your saying Sam and I totally see why companies would want and need to employ migrant workers.

Is there really evidence Sam or is it just easier and cheaper for employers to employ cheap labour from abroad and not be bothered looking for people to employ from the British out of work workforce.

I'm not against migrant workers coming to Britian. I just want to see controlled migration again. Which within the EU I feel due to the Freedom of movement regulations we can never have.

Be honest Sam and tell me how we can we possibly have contolled immigration if we dont khow how many people in the future will want to come across to Britian. We can't possibly know. So we can't possible plan our infustructure for the future to be able to cope. So what do they intend to do GUESS....

Don't you see that if we can't plan then how do we know what extra resources we're going to need and if we can afford to Pay for them.

Sorry Sam but it back to my small 1 bedroom flat scenario and inviting to many people to stay. Even though I haven't got the room. They might all be wanting to work but i dont know where I'm going to put them all or if I have enough money to pay the bills and help keep them. And then I find out that their families are coming round to stay as well. I know I'll shut the front door....oops to late ....

Without being able to know future numbers coming to Britian ..you can't possibly plan ahead.

Even Thersa May is saying that we cant but if you know of a way Sam please tell, and then I'll feel much happier.

But personally I don't think that it's possible until we leave the EU and get back controlled immigration. If we need xxx amount of workers we ask for xxx amount of workers. At the moment all were getting is Xxxxxxxx xxx Xxxxxxxx xxx Xxxxxxxx xxx xxxx
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sam39
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sam39
Re: Eu referendum.
14th May 2016 at 5:14PM
I really think you and I can never agree, but I will leave you with one bit of information to think about. According to the think tank Migration Watch, in the year up to Sept 2015 there were 172000 net EU migrants, and 190000 net nonEU migrants. You want complete border controls in order to plan infrastructure etc - we have such controls for nonEU migrants - but we still took 18000 more nonEU migrants than than EU migrants. I should add that border controls against nonEU migrants are points based, and stricter than the Australian system. If we apply that system to EU migrants, then Migration Watch estimate a maximum fall of 100000, so total net migration would fall from 362000 to 262000. Most infrastructure planning is straight forward, it is the political will to implement the requirement that is missing - for example, Heathrow. I have enjoyed discussing this with you.
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Serenity
Citizen

Serenity
Re: Eu referendum.
14th May 2016 at 5:53PM, Edit: 14th May 2016 at 6:28PM by Serenity
You're quite right Sam I don't think we will ever agree on the EU debate.
But at least by discussing the topic we've been able to bring a few reasons to stay and some reasons why it might be time to leave, and as a sideliner we've entertained TwistedBanana a little😊
Glad you enjoyed our little discussions, so did I Sam.
And can I leave with this story as it really touched my heart.
Its about British fisherman trying to make a living and the stupidity of the EU

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/5105730/Now-we-treat-our-fishermen-like-drug-dealers.html
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Serenity
Citizen

Serenity
Re: Eu referendum.
16th May 2016 at 2:52AM, Edit: 16th May 2016 at 9:58AM by Serenity
It would appear that even David Camerons back benchers don't believe what he's saying about if we leave the EU. And they go as far to say that they have been left enraged by his warnings about the consequences of a Brexit vote, particularly his suggestion that it could lead to war in Europe.

They also believe that the campaign “has not been a fair fight” apparently Backbenchers furious at the way Mr Cameron and his allies have conducted the referendum campaign are considering calling for him to go, even if he wins the June 23 vote by a significant margin.

So there you have, doesn't sound good if you can't even get your own party to believe in you. Just more evidence that this EU referendum hasn't been run fairly.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/15/around-100-tory-mps-could-back-vote-of-no-confidence-in-david-ca/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/15/eu-referendum-more-than-300-business-leaders-back-a-brexit/
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TwistedBanana
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TwistedBanana
Re: Eu referendum.
16th May 2016 at 6:38AM, Edit: 16th May 2016 at 6:39AM by TwistedBanana
You have entertained and it has been an interesting debate between you

I just wonder if you ever sleep, judging by the times of some of thr posts
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