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PFS1
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PFS1
Re: Sainsburys Petrol Station
24th October 2015 at 9:10PM
Expert Wrote:

PFS1 Wrote:

The point is, everyone in, and travelling through, Hazel Grove is part of the problem. Even those like yourself who seem to believe that they are above the problem. It is this 'lese faire' attitude over the past fifty years that has allowed Hazel Grove to degenerate into its present position. It's time to stand up and be counted and stop sitting on the fence to tell everyone that they are wasting their time.


I'm fully aware that, on the occasions I travel through Hazel Grove, I'm part of the problem - but I'm not complaining about it. Perhaps you haven't noticed but there is nothing unusual about Hazel Grove. Traffic levels over the whole country have increased considerably in the last fifty years.


I'm not quite sure what point you are trying to make but I am aware of increased traffic over the past 50 years. I am also aware that Town Councils and Parish Councils all over the country have been doing their best to mitigate the effects of these increases and that is why it seems so stupid for Stockport Planning Department to support an application which will nullify much of their effort in this direction
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Expert
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Expert
Re: Sainsburys Petrol Station
24th October 2015 at 10:49PM
PFS1 Wrote:

Expert Wrote:

PFS1 Wrote:

The point is, everyone in, and travelling through, Hazel Grove is part of the problem. Even those like yourself who seem to believe that they are above the problem. It is this 'lese faire' attitude over the past fifty years that has allowed Hazel Grove to degenerate into its present position. It's time to stand up and be counted and stop sitting on the fence to tell everyone that they are wasting their time.


I'm fully aware that, on the occasions I travel through Hazel Grove, I'm part of the problem - but I'm not complaining about it. Perhaps you haven't noticed but there is nothing unusual about Hazel Grove. Traffic levels over the whole country have increased considerably in the last fifty years.


I'm not quite sure what point you are trying to make but I am aware of increased traffic over the past 50 years. I am also aware that Town Councils and Parish Councils all over the country have been doing their best to mitigate the effects of these increases and that is why it seems so stupid for Stockport Planning Department to support an application which will nullify much of their effort in this direction


There isn't actually that much an individual local authority can do to limit traffic on a public highway. It was once thought that road building - to create more physical space for vehicles - was the solution but in more recent times it has been realised that all this does is encourage people to drive further and increases the level of traffic. Seaparating land uses e.g. Residential/retail/industry also results in an increase in traffic as people have to travel between them as part of their daily lives. Similarly, low density developments (which people like) open space (which people also like) and green belts (which were invented by planners) only help to increase traffic levels.

Getting back to the point, I very much doubt whether building a petrol station at the site will have any significant effect on traffic overal although this is only a gut feeling as I haven't studied the paperwork and can't quantify the effect. I've also, in the last several decades, never seen an appeal dismissed on the grounds of increased traffic.
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TwistedBanana
Townsperson

TwistedBanana
Re: Sainsburys Petrol Station
25th October 2015 at 12:18AM
Seems the A6 isn't as congested as I thought, I have just crossed the road near The Flying Coach heading towards The Bird In hand and the traffic was light, although the traffic that was there was moving quickly. In fact at one stage I was stood in the middle of the road shouting "line up the Bucas, I'm on a mission" and the traffic slowed and made every effort to avoid me, in fact they honked their horns and seemed to wave me on. After my visit to The Bird In hand and my disappointment that there was actually no birds in there, not least one in hand, I had to cross again toward The The Tunnes and The Grapes and once again I crossed without issue, even stopping for a kip in the gutter (proof we don't need a bus lane). So there is my report on the traffic in the area as requested. I am not sure that reporting on a Saturday night at 11.30pm is a fair assessment and I am thinking of doing the same from Sunday through to Thursday (when the missus gets back from he visit to the Southern arm of her family) I think this will provide a 360 view of the localities traffic issues
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Expert
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Expert
Re: Sainsburys Petrol Station
25th October 2015 at 8:15AM
TwistedBanana Wrote:

Seems the A6 isn't as congested as I thought, I have just crossed the road near The Flying Coach heading towards The Bird In hand and the traffic was light, although the traffic that was there was moving quickly. In fact at one stage I was stood in the middle of the road shouting "line up the Bucas, I'm on a mission" and the traffic slowed and made every effort to avoid me, in fact they honked their horns and seemed to wave me on. After my visit to The Bird In hand and my disappointment that there was actually no birds in there, not least one in hand, I had to cross again toward The The Tunnes and The Grapes and once again I crossed without issue, even stopping for a kip in the gutter (proof we don't need a bus lane). So there is my report on the traffic in the area as requested. I am not sure that reporting on a Saturday night at 11.30pm is a fair assessment and I am thinking of doing the same from Sunday through to Thursday (when the missus gets back from he visit to the Southern arm of her family) I think this will provide a 360 view of the localities traffic issues


Alcohol is a wonderful thing - I believe they also sell it in Sainsbury.
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PFS1
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PFS1
Re: Sainsburys Petrol Station
25th October 2015 at 8:59AM
Expert Wrote:

TwistedBanana Wrote:

Seems the A6 isn't as congested as I thought, I have just crossed the road near The Flying Coach heading towards The Bird In hand and the traffic was light, although the traffic that was there was moving quickly. In fact at one stage I was stood in the middle of the road shouting "line up the Bucas, I'm on a mission" and the traffic slowed and made every effort to avoid me, in fact they honked their horns and seemed to wave me on. After my visit to The Bird In hand and my disappointment that there was actually no birds in there, not least one in hand, I had to cross again toward The The Tunnes and The Grapes and once again I crossed without issue, even stopping for a kip in the gutter (proof we don't need a bus lane). So there is my report on the traffic in the area as requested. I am not sure that reporting on a Saturday night at 11.30pm is a fair assessment and I am thinking of doing the same from Sunday through to Thursday (when the missus gets back from he visit to the Southern arm of her family) I think this will provide a 360 view of the localities traffic issues


Alcohol is a wonderful thing - I believe they also sell it in Sainsbury.


But not at midnight. Not until they get opening hours 24/7
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Jenny
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Jenny
Re: Sainsburys Petrol Station
25th October 2015 at 12:15PM, Edit: 25th October 2015 at 12:24PM by Jenny
To be honest, before I moved to Hazel Grove I knew about it's traffic reputation, but in reality it's not actually that bad on the average day (yes, sometimes things go tits up - that happens everywhere too)

Yes, the amount of traffic on Commercial Road is a problem, but this is mainly caused by the selfish ones coming out of Aldi and M&S who think they have the god given right to stop all traffic to pull out, at the expense of those that have already been queuing for a while. No easy solution to this without demolition.

Yes, the amount of traffic turning right on to Commercial Road from the A6 is a problem. This could easily be mitigated if people would actually move forward onto the sensor when waiting to turn - hence the filter arrow doesn't appear 50% of the time, the traffic lights think there is nobody there. For some reason people seem scared to move forward, probably because they don't understand the highway code and think that they aren't allowed in the yellow box under any circumstances (not true, you can enter a box as long as your exit is clear, i.e. to turn right). If you're waiting to turn right and you're wondering why there is someone behind you honking their horn, it's probably me trying to get you to move forward - your selfishness means 5-6 cars behind you won't be able to turn right until the next cycle.

Yes, getting out of Hazel Grove is a problem, but this is mostly down to the inadequate road networks of the surrounding area. Can't easily head south because of High Lane or Poynton, can't easily head west because of Bramhall and Poynton, heading east is just a no go zone. Heading north along the A6 is the only reasonable way out, and is nowhere near as bad as people make out.

Is any of this a problem outside of peak time? Most of the time, no. Is Hazel Grove a special case compared to other areas of the country? No, I can list many many places that have congestion worse than here. Is the Sainsbury's junction the biggest problem in Hazel Grove? Not in the slightest. Is the world going to end if a petrol station is built? No - we probably won't notice the difference.

Am I bored of reading all the political point scoring between Oliver and Kevin? Yes, grow up, both of you, start acting like you actually care about Hazel Grove instead of just trying to get one over on each other. A petrol station is small fry compared to the bypass, how about actually focussing more of your time into making that happen?
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PFS1
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PFS1
Re: Sainsburys Petrol Station
25th October 2015 at 12:58PM, Edit: 25th October 2015 at 1:03PM by PFS1
Jenny Wrote:

To be honest, before I moved to Hazel Grove I knew about it's traffic reputation, but in reality it's not actually that bad on the average day (yes, sometimes things go tits up - that happens everywhere too)

Yes, the amount of traffic on Commercial Road is a problem, but this is mainly caused by the selfish ones coming out of Aldi and M&S who think they have the god given right to stop all traffic to pull out, at the expense of those that have already been queuing for a while. No easy solution to this without demolition.

Yes, the amount of traffic turning right on to Commercial Road from the A6 is a problem. This could easily be mitigated if people would actually move forward onto the sensor when waiting to turn - hence the filter arrow doesn't appear 50% of the time, the traffic lights think there is nobody there. For some reason people seem scared to move forward, probably because they don't understand the highway code and think that they aren't allowed in the yellow box under any circumstances (not true, you can enter a box as long as your exit is clear, i.e. to turn right). If you're waiting to turn right and you're wondering why there is someone behind you honking their horn, it's probably me trying to get you to move forward - your selfishness means 5-6 cars behind you won't be able to turn right until the next cycle.

Yes, getting out of Hazel Grove is a problem, but this is mostly down to the inadequate road networks of the surrounding area. Can't easily head south because of High Lane or Poynton, can't easily head west because of Bramhall and Poynton, heading east is just a no go zone. Heading north along the A6 is the only reasonable way out, and is nowhere near as bad as people make out.

Is any of this a problem outside of peak time? Most of the time, no. Is Hazel Grove a special case compared to other areas of the country? No, I can list many many places that have congestion worse than here. Is the Sainsbury's junction the biggest problem in Hazel Grove? Not in the slightest. Is the world going to end if a petrol station is built? No - we probably won't notice the difference.

Am I bored of reading all the political point scoring between Oliver and Kevin? Yes, grow up, both of you, start acting like you actually care about Hazel Grove instead of just trying to get one over on each other. A petrol station is small fry compared to the bypass, how about actually focussing more of your time into making that happen?


Whilst the Petrol station could be regarded as small fry compared to the ByPass, putting it where Sainsbury's want to put it is counterproductive as explained in an earlier post. Future costs to correct the situation will be punitive.
The completion of the Bypass and the consequential reduction in traffic flow through Hazel Grove provides an opportunity for planners to regenerate Hazel Grove as an urban residential centre and not as a redecorated Trunk Road from London to Carlisle. It will not happen overnight but planning should already have been put in place when the A6-MARR was sanctioned in order to control bad envirinmental planning. Instead we have developers dictating what they want without regard to the rest of society and being aided and abetted by government at all levels. This will go on ad infinitum as, according to many of the posts on this site, there is nothing that can be done about it.
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Jenny
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Jenny
Re: Sainsburys Petrol Station
25th October 2015 at 1:15PM
PFS1 Wrote:

Whilst the Petrol station could be regarded as small fry compared to the ByPass, putting it where Sainsbury's want to put it is counterproductive as explained in an earlier post. Future costs to correct the situation will be punitive.

I've looked at the plans and the petrol station is not on the line of the Stepping Hill Link (the road that would run between the bypass and the Sainsburys junction). Upon completion of the link road, the petrol station will be alongside the link road (in the same way that many petrol stations are alongside a road)
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cllrkevinhogg
Hazel Grove Councillor

cllrkevinhogg
Re: Sainsburys Petrol Station
25th October 2015 at 3:59PM
Sense from some one at last
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PFS1
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PFS1
Re: Sainsburys Petrol Station
25th October 2015 at 8:39PM
cllrkevinhogg Wrote:

Sense from some one at last


I stand by my earlier post. If the Petrol Station and forecourt are built as proposed, the remaining width between the station and the opposite building will not be wide enough to accommodate the required highway. Should have gone to Specsavers.
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