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Coleman
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Coleman
Re: Planning Application for Phone Mast
18th March 2011 at 4:44AM
It's a sign of the times i'm afraid! Technologies improve and become more widespread, and mobile phones are just one example.

I don't think it's a bad thing that we develop things to may life easier for ourselves, i can understand that some may long after the 'good old days' when the moment you stepped out the door you were unreachable, it does have its benefits but for me the vast benefits of having a mobile phone far out way any nostalgic reason to not have one.

I suppose the key is trying to make sure you don't become dependent on these sorts of things. A failing i suspect most are guilty of.
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Drifter
Re: Planning Application for Phone Mast
18th March 2011 at 9:41AM
I see there is an article in this weeks Stockport Express concerning a group in Bramhall lobbying against an application to site a mast near to a School.

I also note the Lib Dem Cllr in Bramhall AND Lib Dem MP Mark Hunter have publicly supported the No Campaign, for health risk reasons.

Yet we have no comments on here (or anywhere else) from Hazel Grove Lib Dem Cllr's, let alone Andrew Stunnel. Being a community forum, it might be helpful to have a comment from them? Maybe they know something the Bramhall Lib Dem's don't? Like they are worrying about nothing?

Personally, I partly buy into the skepticism regarding many of us being in close proximity to, or using mobile phones every day, so why should the masts make any difference? I’m not sure about it, but, we not so long ago owned a car which conked out three times over a period of 6 months when driving past the mast at the end of Glastonbury Drive in Poynton.

The first time the RAC turned up, could find nothing wrong but could not get it started so recovered the car to our local Garage where, when removed from the car transporter it started and ran perfectly. The garage put it down to a gremlin in the ECU, but for it to happen three times in the same place over the next 6 months or so, made us naturally make the connection between where it was happening and the mast, and, seriously question what is in that mast or moreover what is it putting out?

Also, it only ever happened when driving in the direction of the Fiveways and its worth metnioing the car never had a problem other than this. I’m sure we drove past many masts without any issues at other times, we just wondered if there is/was something different in that mast?

Google the subject of cars conking out and people putting it down to masts – we are not alone! Could it be down to the strength of the signals in some of these masts???
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Adamski
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Adamski
Re: Planning Application for Phone Mast
19th March 2011 at 12:06PM
Someone is scaremongering on the Lyndhurst estate. They have posted a 4 page letter to I presume every house on this end of Lyndhurst and the other side of Chester Road too. Goes on about damaging the health of his kids and grandchildren. Also a part on how to protest to the council via the planning website, mention things like 'the mast will scare children'. Oh dear!!
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deano
Drifter
Re: Planning Application for Phone Mast
21st March 2011 at 4:47AM
adamski i have had the letter as well and agree with what you say it is scaremongeringng! i wonder if the people putting the letter out have and use mobile phones???? to hazzard a guess i rekon they do so the word hypocrite springs !
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Coleman
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Coleman
Re: Planning Application for Phone Mast
21st March 2011 at 5:41AM
It's unbelievable the lengths some people will go to trying to convince everyone that their crazy unfounded fears are reality!

Mobile phone masts emit radio waves! We are surrounded by radio waves all day, every day, no matter where we are. The do not cause us any harm what so ever. and that's a scientific proven fact.
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Drifter
Re: Planning Application for Phone Mast
21st March 2011 at 6:14AM
"Are you serious? I can't believe some people still believe that mobile phone masts in some way harm people!"

I suppose myself included we judge out of ignorance of the facts and that some people have decided that a mobile phone mast must use the same waves that are used by a mobile phone which we are told by the so-called experts are bad for your health. So most people will form their judgement based on these facts. However I suppose when the first telephone pole went up people also must have feared that the waves from the wires would also be bad for their health.

On the other hand there are things such as Asbestos that not so long ago was used quite freely with the assurance from the so-called expects that there was no risk to the public health, perhaps out of their ignorance, and look at the devasting results now.

Perhaps it pays to be a little sceptical of everything we are led to believe, however what is completely safe to use these days, nothing I can think of.....
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OliverJohnstone
Hazel Grove Councillor

OliverJohnstone
Re: Planning Application for Phone Mast
21st March 2011 at 6:16AM
Councillor Hogg, what is your position on this, given Mark Hunter's opposition to it? We deserve a response.

Are Hazel Grove Liberal Democrats singing from the same hymn sheet as Bramhall (Cheadle) Liberal Democrats?
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Concerned Fathe
Drifter
Re: Planning Application for Phone Mast
21st March 2011 at 8:35AM
I agree that we need to balance residents’ demand for technology and health concerns.

Let’s consider a pregnant lady, on her way to Stepping Hill maternity, with a young daughter in the back, whose car breaks down.   I think we would all agree that the need to be able to call an Ambulance or the AA outweighs unproven health concerns. But she can do this – she only needs a 2nd Generation (2G) mobile signal for voice and text, and Vodafone’s own coverage map shows blanket 2G coverage.

Now suppose this lady wanted to tell her facebook friends that she’s going to hospital. She would need 3G mobile signal. Again, Vodafone’s coverage map shows in-car coverage for the area. If she was indoors, then depending on the house construction she may not get a signal, but with cable and ADSL covering the area she would doubtless have competitively priced broadband access.

Now consider the health concerns. There have been stories in the press about planning approval being denied, due to health concerns, for masts 100m from a school. Look up inverse square law on wikipedia, and you will realise that a child in an adjacent house, say 25m from the mast would receive 16x the radiation intensity. In addition, the child would spend six times longer in the house than school over a year, resulting in almost 100x more exposure than a child in that school we as a community would be concerned about.

The international body, ICNIRP, that specify safe radiation levels, admit that there is little evidence relating to long term effects and limited studies relating to children.

I accept we are exposed to levels of microwave radiation everywhere, but the intensity rises significantly near a mast.

I have a beautiful, innocent, young daughter living very close to the proposed site. She is not an experiment and I do not wish her to become a statistic. Continued exposure to microwave radiation may be as safe a Japanese nuclear power, smoking in the 1960s or driving a car, but if you are a parent it is only natural to be concerned and worried.

So back to balancing technology and health concerns.   The balance in our area has shifted since mobile phones first became available – we now have a good 2G/3G mobile service with existing transmitters. What are the real benefits of another transmitter in the heart of our community? And do they outweigh parents’ concerns over individual children living nearby?

David Cameron states he is in favour of letting communities have more say in local planning issues the “Big Society”. Let’s see how sincere he really is.
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Granny Groover
Drifter
Re: Planning Application for Phone Mast
21st March 2011 at 9:08AM
It is not "health concerns" but "concern about health concerns". A local estate agent told me that perhaps 75% of propsective house purchasers would drive past a house within sight of the mast.   That must be worrying for quite a lot of us.
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Coleman
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Coleman
Re: Planning Application for Phone Mast
21st March 2011 at 11:09AM
I couldn't be bothered reading every word of the last couple of posts but did notice the words "microwave radiation"!

This is probably one of the misconceptions which fuel all these wild ideas that mobile phone masts will cause us all harm.

There is no such thing as microwave radiation (not in the common sense of radiation anyway), microwave energy is in actual fact nothing more then radio waves.

The differences are simply the wavelengths. different wavelengths give different property's.

I'm sure plenty of people are now thinking that mobile phone masts and in fact mobile phones will slowly cook our brains, but the boring truth of that matter is that the power levels are so insignificant that they couldn't even melt ice let alone cook your brain.

Look at it this way a typical domestic microwave is rated at 800watts (which at roughly 60% efficiency means it uses 1350Watts), all of which is fired in to and bounced around a cabinet maybe 0.07cu.mt. this as you will have no doubt seen for yourself is plenty to cook food.

In contrast mobile phone masts are rated at maybe 5Watts and emit into open air (god knows how many cu.ft.)!

There is a massive difference.

If anything is going to expose you to microwave energy it's the phone you press against your head whilst on a call. These emit somewhere around 2-3Watts. But even with it pressed tightly against your head, the energy is to low to do anything significant to you!
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