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Bluemoon
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Bluemoon
Re: Torkington Park - Dogs
3rd June 2009 at 4:58AM, Edit: 3rd June 2009 at 5:08AM by Bluemoon
OJ it is obvious that you do not have children. I can assure you that you will think otherwise once you do and they get jumped on and barked at by someone elses big dog.

You are right that everyone has a right to enjoy the park and that includes dog owners. All we ask is that the dogs are kept on a lead. I don't think that is too much to ask if doing so means everyone else can then enjoy the park without fear.

To say that scaring children is trivial and a dog can do no wrong unless it causes actual physical harm is outrageous.
Do you think it's okay for some thug to run up to you? shout and threaten you with violent attack? stop you from moving? push you around? What about doing that to a little child?
I hope not. But that is exactly what we are taking about except it's being done by a dog not a human being.

Strange how we all complain about the minority of people ruining Hazel Grove at night for everyone else, yet the same people think it's okay that the minority of dogs and their owners ruin our park for everyone else.




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OliverJohnstone
Hazel Grove Councillor

OliverJohnstone
Re: Torkington Park - Dogs
3rd June 2009 at 5:11AM
You are quite right I do not have children but I do use Torkington Park alot and I have never witnessed any incidents which are being spoken about. To imply that my opinion is somewhat weaker by that fact is absurd.

The vast majority of responsible dog owners keep their dogs a significant distance from children and have them well trained beforehand. You mentioned the minority that ruin Hazel Grove at night - you wouldn't stop the majority going to bars and clubs and drinking for the sake of ensuring no one behaves drunk and disorderly. A dog can scare children anywhere, not just parks.

We need wardens to monitor the situation in the park and ensure that families feel safe whilst being able to respond to emergencies. This way dog owners and families can enjoy our parks to the fullest extent.
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Bluemoon
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Bluemoon
Re: Torkington Park - Dogs
3rd June 2009 at 5:42AM
You may not have noticed this kind of thing happening but then why would you? You have a dog - probably well trained and dont have kids. The previous contributors and myself aren't posting our bad experiences on here for the sake of it.

We all know the majority of dog owners are responsible but it only takes a small minority of them to cause a real problem.

Yes a dog can scare children anywhere, but usually on a pavement they are on a lead so the fear of attack is greatly reduced. When off the lead in the park they are often far from the owner and you don't know what they may do when they come charging at you or your child.

Yes we know it's rare that actual physical harm is caused, but the safety and respect to other park users should come first and foremost.

Why is keeping a dog on a lead when around other people such a big issue?
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Adora
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Adora
Re: Torkington Park - Dogs
3rd June 2009 at 5:53AM, Edit: 3rd June 2009 at 5:57AM by Adora
Bluemoon Wrote:



Why is keeping a dog on a lead when around other people such a big issue?


The park is the only place I can get to every day where I CAN let the dog off lead. Weekends, we can go up to Lyme and other places but on a daily basis, the park is it.

Dogs need some off-lead time to run after their ball/stick, sniff and explore and basically, do what dogs do. On a lead, the dog is restricted in what he can do and actually, a dog kept permanently on a lead can cause aggression as well - a dog on a lead feels less able to defend itself, so say a child approaches the dog or even another dog and the dog is frightened, the dog can react badly because he cannot get away because of the lead. Frustration and a lack of free exercise builds in a dog & ends up as depression, aggression etc and then you really do have a problem.


There is room for everyone and there is a solution in this little lot somewhere. That park has 4 distinct areas:-

1) The sleging hill field
2) The tennis courts & bowling green area
3) The front field
4) The back field where the play area is

One of those areas or maybe two of them, designated as off-lead areas, would suffice. The front field and the sledging hill field are the least used by people, in my experience.

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OliverJohnstone
Hazel Grove Councillor

OliverJohnstone
Re: Torkington Park - Dogs
3rd June 2009 at 5:54AM
I understand what you are saying and I am not saying that I do not care about others' children. I do.

I myself do choose to keep my dog on a lead not because she would harm anyone but because she is so overly playful she would keep running away from me and I would never get her back.

Ultimately, I know it goes on. But could a compromise not be reached by having some level of park security and assistance so that both sides can be happy?
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Adora
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Adora
Re: Torkington Park - Dogs
3rd June 2009 at 5:58AM
Oliver - have you tried a dog whistle and hiding behind trees? Best method of getting total recall I've ever used.

Sadly, it doesn't work with the kids ;-D
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Baby 10
Drifter
Re: Torkington Park - Dogs
3rd June 2009 at 6:03AM
This should really be a no brainer and I can not beleive that the discussion is even happening. Dogs should be kept on a lead in all public places except for in specially designated areas. This would stops children and lets face it adults alike fearing the possibility of an attack. OJ you say that you have never witnessed such attacks - lets hope that you never do because I can tell you it is not nice. I have witnessed a so called child friendly dog attack a 9 year old girl and the dog ravaged her arm so badly that she has since had several skin grafts. All dogs have the potential to be wild in particular in the heat which brings the children onto the park.

Dogs do not have to physically attack a child to give them nightmares and phobias.

Maybe we should also discuss the s*** left behind by dogs and their owners which can be extremley discusting especially when you have a baby who is crawling - not only is it discusting but it is also a health hazard.   

I for one would welcome a dog only area within the park. I personally do not care about the vet bills caused by dogs attacking each other, better that they attack each other rather than fellow human beings. And if these animals are as good as people appear to be saying there is no possibility of them attacking each other anyway!
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OliverJohnstone
Hazel Grove Councillor

OliverJohnstone
Re: Torkington Park - Dogs
3rd June 2009 at 6:08AM
Thanks for the tip Adora. Anything to avoid the usual farce - ending up with me and the dog embroiled in a Benny Hill style chase around the park...
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Bluemoon
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Bluemoon
Re: Torkington Park - Dogs
3rd June 2009 at 6:25AM
Guest Wrote:

This should really be a no brainer and I can not beleive that the discussion is even happening. Dogs should be kept on a lead in all public places except for in specially designated areas. This would stops children and lets face it adults alike fearing the possibility of an attack. OJ you say that you have never witnessed such attacks - lets hope that you never do because I can tell you it is not nice. I have witnessed a so called child friendly dog attack a 9 year old girl and the dog ravaged her arm so badly that she has since had several skin grafts. All dogs have the potential to be wild in particular in the heat which brings the children onto the park.

Dogs do not have to physically attack a child to give them nightmares and phobias.

Maybe we should also discuss the s*** left behind by dogs and their owners which can be extremley discusting especially when you have a baby who is crawling - not only is it discusting but it is also a health hazard.   

I for one would welcome a dog only area within the park. I personally do not care about the vet bills caused by dogs attacking each other, better that they attack each other rather than fellow human beings. And if these animals are as good as people appear to be saying there is no possibility of them attacking each other anyway!


Couldn't have put it better myself, well said.
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OliverJohnstone
Hazel Grove Councillor

OliverJohnstone
Re: Torkington Park - Dogs
3rd June 2009 at 6:35AM
Maybe allocated areas of the park is the right way forward. However, Torkington Park is pretty much immaculate. I saw no problem of dog mess at all yesterday.

I am not a moron. I know that some dogs can cause harm. But to force owners to keep them on a lead on one of the very few places available to us, is unfair. In the same way that parents are responsible for their children are dog owners responsible for their dogs. We have to leave some responsibility to individuals and their rational discretion. Rather that than impose draconian restrictions on what people can and cannot do.
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