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OliverJohnstone
Hazel Grove Councillor

OliverJohnstone
Re: Torkington Park - Dogs
2nd June 2009 at 11:34AM
Bluemoon we have to consider everybody in this situation.

Stepping in dog mess happens on the streets - it has nothing to do with the park. In fact it is less likely to occur because of the many dog bins on Torkington Park.

Of course, the dog owners have to be responsible - as parents have to be responsible with their children. We can all cooperate and act like adults if everyone is rational about it.

Also, we need wardens regardless - and they aren't as pointless as you make out because they could help in the immediate situation. Regardless we need them for other reasons.
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William_Wragg
Hazel Grove MP

William_Wragg
Re: Torkington Park - Dogs
2nd June 2009 at 11:45AM
In my experience there's no such thing as an inherently bad dog, just bad owners.

I put my springer on the lead whenever we meet other people on our long rambles. He's gentle as anything, but some people aren't too keen on dogs, which is fair enough.
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Adora
Forum Moderator

Adora
Re: Torkington Park - Dogs
2nd June 2009 at 11:48AM, Edit: 2nd June 2009 at 6:48PM by Adora
Totally agree with what William said - duff owners, not duff dogs.

Quite like the idea of a 'Parky' warden as well! Used to have a bloke do this job in our local park, when I was a child - grumpy auld git, so he was, but very effective. That said, it was back in the days when kids didn't know they had 'rights'. I blame Esther Rantzen, meself ;-D
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Grover 29
Drifter
Re: Torkington Park - Dogs
2nd June 2009 at 12:04PM
Before people come up with ideas of fencing areas off I think someone needs to research if the bylaws regarding dogs being kept on leads still exists, this would resolve the matter once and for all
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Grover65
Townsperson

Grover65
Re: Torkington Park - Dogs
2nd June 2009 at 1:21PM
Maybe the play area and some other parts of the park could be fenced off to prevent all fast moving things from scaring vulnerable people (young and elderly).

Bikes and other wheeled vehicles can be just as scary as our four-legged friends. I find footballs rather unnerving myself.

With all that space it seems to me that there is plenty of room for everyone to enjoy the park.
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Hazel Grover
Drifter
Re: Torkington Park - Dogs
2nd June 2009 at 2:06PM
I never usually write on these forums however felt compelled to write as we recently had a very upsetting encounter in Torkington Park - we were with our 3 year old son in the park early one Sunday morning when we witnessed a thug of a bloke belting his large brown rotweiller with his heavy chain lead over and over again - my son was extremely distressed as were my husband and I and the dog so got so worked up at being beating by his owner that he began getting really aggressive and ran from his owner towards where we were standing we were completely terrified and my son inconsolable- the thug managed to get hold of him gave him another hit then let him run free again hence we promtly left the park - on arrival at home we reported this incident to the RSPCA and they said they would follow it up and send somebody down there straight away (all this information is logged with them) - we have not been back to the park as my son is petrified and this incident could have ended in disaster - I know this is an isolated incident but who's to say something like this won't happen again and end with a child being attacked.
Many of the owners that leave their dogs to run around the park have NO consideration at all for children who also have every right to be in the park and I fully agree that a designated area should be allocated.

As for the person that said "children should be on reigns" well what a joke and what a small minded person, and at least we don't let our children poo all over the park like some dog owners do...... DISGUSTING !

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Drifter
Re: Torkington Park - Dogs
2nd June 2009 at 4:25PM
Surely before we have park wardens or police officers to patrol the park ! How about putting the money towards police to patrol the A6 ON A FRIDAY OR SATURDAY NIGHT !!!
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OliverJohnstone
Hazel Grove Councillor

OliverJohnstone
Re: Torkington Park - Dogs
2nd June 2009 at 6:31PM
I think it is clearly the owners who have to be responsible. A dog can be let off its lead anywhere that is not designated otherwise. It is down to the owner's discretion.

Dog's are not mauling children on even a rare basis, so I think it unfair to take action restricting their use of such green spaces.

Of course we need far more police everywhere that goes without saying. But for whatever reason we pay through the nose with taxation and get sod all in that respect back!!!
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tiredgrover
Villager

tiredgrover
Re: Torkington Park - Dogs
2nd June 2009 at 6:57PM
Oliver - Its not about Mauling by dogs its about being scared by them and having to dodge the dog poo just to enjoy a public space meant for the enjoyment of FAMILIES.

I love dogs but I fully adhere to the side of dogs should be kept on a lead at all times. Children are very easily scared by animals and such a scare early in their development tends to stick with them and can bring on phobias.

In this day and age most undesireables have a dog not for the pleasure of owning a loving family pet, but as a weapon. Even if they do not attack anyone they scare people especially when let of the lead to dash at people and other dogs. Who is to say that such a scare could not seriously harm a person who say has a weak heart?

Have you actually been to the park recently and had a look at how much dog mess is left by owners too lazy to pick it up, as has been said there are plenty of bins but they arent always emptied. I have seen them overflowing and then responsible owners having to leave it in the bag around the base of the bin.

If a dog is off the lead and is 300 yds away from their owner who is strolling along nonchalantly behind somewhere are they going to know where their dog did their business? I think not.

Its great to see communities using the park such as the football teams, but we have also seen dogs leave their mess and owners ignore it even when its been done on the pitch lines whilst a match was on! Its really disgusting.
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OliverJohnstone
Hazel Grove Councillor

OliverJohnstone
Re: Torkington Park - Dogs
3rd June 2009 at 2:36AM
Tiredgrover, come on.

1) Parks are for the enjoyment of EVERYONE and that is why EVERYONE should be considered when looking at this issue.

2) I was in Torkington Park yesterday morning as it happens, with my dog, and I have to say it was immaculate. I saw no amoun of dog mess whatsoever. I was surprised but what you say about having to watch where you walk is utter hyperbole.

3) I acknowledge that some owners are irresponsible and even fewer use them as weapons. Ultimately, lots of things scare small children. As long as harm does not come to them in a physical way, I think it is a trivial point. We cannot wrap our children up in cotton wool to ensure that we protect them from something that may or may not happen.

When I was little I was pushed out of a swing by an overly playful labrador in a pub beer garden (not a park) and whilst I was scared at the time, it has not damaged me whatsoever.
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