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BlueGrover
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BlueGrover
Re: Letís try some joined up thinking.
22nd May 2009 at 4:30AM
This is quite simple. I work for SMBC. I claim my mileage, and occasionally rail trips and hotel stays. If I put in a fraudulent claim and was found out, would it be ok for me to say, " sorry it was a oversight, can I pay it back?"
Answers on a postcard please.......
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OliverJohnstone
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Re: Letís try some joined up thinking.
22nd May 2009 at 7:20AM
I think we do need a General Election now don't get me wrong their have been gross failings to serve the people but the stem of this debate was about people calling for fraud investigations over things that were not fraudulent. Some cases were fraudulent but the moat cleaning and the duck island were within the rules. Not justifiable but within the rules. That is simple and unavoidable fact.

Losing faith in politics as a whole is illogical Adora and let me say why. Yes our faith in most MPs has taken a battering and I feel the same anger. But to tarnish the honourable political profession as corrupt and unworkable might seem justifiable but is illogical. This is a failing of a particular system and the subsequent failing of numerous individuals. Politicians and politics as a collective should not be persecuted as a consequence. To overreact in this manner would be far more damaging in the long term than any row over expenses.
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Baby 10
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Re: Letís try some joined up thinking.
22nd May 2009 at 7:49AM
Working for SMBC I have known poeple lose their jobs over incorrectly completing a mileage claim.

I say the government buys up a couple those unsold apartment blocks in London and the councillors who need accommodation when in parliament can lodge in a flat - halls of residence for councillors.

Pay them a higher wage and take away all expenses. The Government agreed to the 50% tax for all who earn over £150K no wonder they want to keep the salary down so they can claim hundreds of thosands in expenses which funnily enough they do not pay tax on.

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grover
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grover
Re: Letís try some joined up thinking.
22nd May 2009 at 12:16PM
Adora - Yer mean yer can't claim yer chicks on yer income tax as dependents?? Me thinks you are in the wrong occupation.
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OliverJohnstone
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OliverJohnstone
Re: Letís try some joined up thinking.
22nd May 2009 at 12:30PM
I think you are absolutely right. This is definitely the right approach. We need to get an independent salary review to set a wage for them and index link all wages and pensions to comparable jobs in the senior civil service - so that MPs never have to be a judge on their own wage increases and we never end up like this again.

I think the Halls of Residence idea is although seemigly feesible is absurd on so many levels. Ultimtely the second home allowance as long as it is very tightly regulated is not a bad idea, so long as it is justifiably applied. As long as the expenses are used properly and every penny is accounted for, I don't see why it should be a problem. Again a cultural problem that needs recitfying.
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sundave
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Re: Letís try some joined up thinking.
22nd May 2009 at 3:12PM
every now and then you or i will have in front of us an official document, and on it somewhere it will state that knowingly making a false statement is an offence and you could be prosecuted, now i don't see how anyone can honestly say that cleaning a moat is a justifiable expense in any job, unless of course you were planning on holding a tea party or other such nefarious political goings on in the said moat. just the simple fact that the MP asked if he could claim is somewhat iffy, but then the oiks who look at the claim compound the problem by allowing it, or are they browbeaten into it?.
we have all seen YES MINISTER, is it a true reflection of political life or just the musings of someones satirical pen?

P.S. Oliver! please don't consider this a personal attack but, if you are seriously considering a life in politics, please try proofreading your posts before you submit, missing letters and jumbled sentences don't inspire confidence in a politician, a minute or two longer on the keyboard won't do you any harm and may stop embarrassment in the future.
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