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Deathtrap A6
Drifter
Re: Bypass
2nd April 2007 at 12:02PM
How will investing the money in public transport stop the lorries, buses and vans from ripping up the A6?
Do you really think that the Govt would invest all that money in public transport?
Anyway what public transport? - it doesn't exist anymore just private companies who are only interested in the profitable routes / times.
It is a no brainer that the Grove needs a bypass and I find it disgusting that we have had to wait over 30 years and it is still being delayed.
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cllr kevin hogg
Drifter
Re: Bypass
23rd April 2007 at 7:52AM
I couldn`t agree more if I had written that myself. I have campaigned for over 20 years for this joined the Lib Dems for it as the only party at the time supporting it and will carry on shouting and creating at meetings until the Government stops living in the past. Most people given the choice would not use public transport at any time even if it were free.
The age of private transport (car etc.) is here and people across the world prefer it. Look at Los angeles, New York, Tokyo Paris etc, all with good public transport
do people use it instead of cars the h*** they do. We no longer all work in the same place nor shop there either private transport gave the ordinary man freedom of movement and I will defend the right to use it as long as necessary. Stick road pricing where the sun don`t shine. Well done Rochdale, Trafford and Stockport for withdrawing support.
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Tyrawhitt
Drifter
Re: Bypass
25th April 2007 at 5:39PM
Whether its a coincidence but since the Belmont bridge at Heaton Norris has been partly closed at Easter time, the traffic in Hazel Grove seems to have been noticeably less. I thought at first I thought it was just the start of the Easter school breaks but the lower level seems to have carried on.

Is anyone in the council studying the impact on traffic flows further a field such as in Hazel Grove?

Is the alternative to tolls to put in "choke points" on the proposed toll routes with public transport advertised as the alternative.
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GillB
Townsperson

GillB
Re: Bypass
26th April 2007 at 4:03PM
Tyrawhitt, your not the only one to notice this. I Also have noticed the A6 is quieter than usual.

Before easter it was getting ridicules, and i was unable to use Commercial Road as it regularly went back to the D.I.Y shop, so i usually went down Hazelwood. and this is just to CROSS the A6 (in a car)

Now, am finding am able to go down Commercial Road without any problems like wise with the A6.

Is this a teaser of what life with the by-pass would be like? Assuming we still HAVE cars by the time we get it!
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charlie
Villager

charlie
Re: Bypass
3rd May 2007 at 6:39PM
Can i just ask i know we "need " the bypass ive been told it all my life, but has anyone considered the impact on the people whose gardens are going to back onto this? And who really thinks HG will be pedestrianised???? It will never happen.
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Deathtrap A6
Drifter
Re: Bypass
4th May 2007 at 5:25AM
Most people that bought a house that has a garden backing onto the proposed route knew about it when they bought the house (unless that was a VERY long time ago), so I'm afraid they cannot ask for much sympathy if it every goes ahead.
As for a pedestianised Hazel Grove, I too doubt that will every happen but that is not the reason for the bypass. The reason is to cut the amount and type of traffic that currently clogs up the Grove. This may hopefully mean we could widen the pavements which would lead to a safer and more pleasent place for people to shop and socialise, therby creating a sustainable renoavation for the Grove.
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John Ellis
Drifter
Re: Bypass
15th May 2007 at 9:20AM
As a new resident in HG (moved in 4 months ago), I have to agree with Deathtrap A6. Our house will be much affected by the bypass if it does finally come to pass, as it will knacker a good deal of our rural outlook. But when you look at the nightmare of London Road for local people trying to go about their business, the loss of our view pales into insignificance. I'm sure that the centre of the Grove would, at least for a while, be a much more pleasant place to move about in if the bypass was constructed. In that event, widening the pavements of London Road sounds an excellent way of enhancing the area.

However I doubt that even that would restore an old fashioned sort of shopping centre to the Grove. Fact is that modern lifestyles favour large supermarkets like Sainsbury's, where you can buy not just your food, but clothes, electrical goods, stuff for the garden, &c. I've just retired and could, I suppose, take my time and potter round a variety of traditional shops - if they were there to potter round. But, when both of us were working full time, like most other people, I relied on our local, open-all-hours superstore, and still tend to do so even now that I have time to spare, as I don't count shopping as a quality leisure activity. Small shops in town centres, in today's circumstances, are a thing of the past, and they won't come back to the Grove even if London Road becomes - imagine it! - an ocean of tranquillity, because we just won't patronize them. So the shopping centre would still be dominated by specialist shops, estate agents and building societies, bars and fast food outlets, and the flower tubs and benches provided on the newly widened pavements would no doubt be decorated with McDonald's packaging, and intermittently hurled round on Friday nights.

And, in time, because traffic relentlessly increases as we build new roads, congestion would eventually return to London Road as it has to other towns with bypasses, as people try, at peak times and on other occasions when traffic problems arise, to dodge the queues on the bypass! But we would, I suspect, have a few years of relative peace and quiet in the centre of the Grove, which a lot of folk might think worth having!

The only real solution is for us all to use public transport more. I'm a little surprised that Cllr Hogg should express himself so negatively about that idea - think of the party's policy, Kevin! - but I have to agree with him that us Brits will take some separating from our cars. I suspect that, even when Liverpool is submerged as a result of global warming, and the Irish Sea is splashing up to the borders of Altrincham, us folk up here on our hill will still probably risk a quick run up to Sainsbury's in the car to get the shopping in, even if free buses, with smiling Trent Barton drivers rather than scowling Stagecoach ones, ran every five minutes past the end of our road!
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Resident
Drifter
Re: Bypass
18th May 2007 at 7:52AM
I was interested to read the comments from Councillor Hogg about his supporting the bypass all his political career, perhaps he could illuminate us about his part in the Red Route and Blue Route debate, the delay that this caused to the bypass that was ready to go before the Labour Party got into power in 1997 and cancelled it.
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cllr kevin hogg
Drifter
Re: Bypass
25th May 2007 at 6:09AM
I could write reams on this. The real culprits in the red route blue route fiasco are identifiable but you need to research a little bit. I could tell you what I found out by a little digging through files but I would not like to be sued.
The decision to promote the blue route was taken long before 1997 and in fact was before 1990 when I became a cllr. By the way the Blue route was chosen during the period the Tories controlled Stockport.
You probably should be asking yourself why during the many many years of tory control of Stockport and Governments stretching back to 1950
this has not been constructed.
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Tyrawhitt
Drifter
Re: Bypass
27th May 2007 at 9:57AM
The traffic needs to delt with to allow people back to their village. That way, the shops can return cos of improved trade to create an overall thriving village community.

If the bypass ain't coming then how come some local things can't be done. Like.........

20mph speed limit on the A6 Bulls Head to Sansbury's with 15ton weight limit. It make me annoyed to see empty 40 tonner stone waggons charging home on the A6 at 35 - 40 mph only to be confronted with a red light at the Royal Bank of Scotland and tyres smoking.

Kill the traffic, discourage it.   Surely those plaaners at the Town Hall can up with soemthing better than playing with minor changes to junctions.   If they are qualified, then get them applying themselves to the real problem in Hazel Grove.   We pay their wages, so they are employed to tackle OUR problems.   Perhaps a wage cut will focus their minds!
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