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Robot69
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Robot69
Re: Bypass
4th May 2012 at 11:49AM
Drifter Wrote:

Can the cllrs tell me where I can access the traffic modelling data for the new relief road. I am sure there was traffic modelling done for the complete SEMMMS project including Bredbury and Stepping hill links, but has there been any done for just the section being built.

I am still not convinced that the relief road will reduce traffic in HG so would be very interested in seeing the evidence for myself before the public consultation.

I assume lots of cash has been spent with a traffic modelling company who produce various animated simulations, are these simulations and supporting data available publicly.

Thanks

Irrespective of reducing traffic in HG - but I think it will a little - it will deffo reduce traffic in Bramhall, Cheadle Hulme, Handforth (possibly) etc so it will still be good for the surrounding area.
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Robot69
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Robot69
Re: Bypass
4th May 2012 at 12:30PM
Antiobypassio Wrote:

Everyone has been misled over this road. It won't bypass anything and it certainly won't relieve the traffic from the A6 in Hazel Grove. If it ran to the M60 as originally proposed it would be useful.

However, what is planned is simply a shortcut from High Lane to the airport....is that really worth us spending £700 million on. I'm sure we could find a better use of the money and not destroy the natural countryside we have. Have you seen the plans for the flyover at Chester rd???? WOW!!! how bad is that.

There will NEVER be enough money to complete this 'white elephant' so why start it?

The polititians have been using this road to gain votes and if you voted for Councillor Hogg yesterday on the basis of his 'road victory' I think you need to ask some questions now.

I think some of your information is a little out. The cost is less than £300m but, yes, it will be a short cut to the airport which is the whole point of the road! I have stated many times this is not a bypass as it doesn’t bypass anywhere really – skirts around a few parts of towns/villages. Some on here make the mistake of calling it a bypass to big up their claims.

I personally believe it will free up traffic but not that much in HG but will in surrounding places to a greater extent. I am concerned as to your statement that it doesn’t join the M60 – if you’re right then the planners need shooting for that omission as the extra few yards to complete the connection will be beer money in comparison to the rest of the project.

Believe me, I was never fooled by Councillor Hoggs ‘road victory’ claim and I have stated why previously.

If that’s your basis for rejecting the claim, good luck!! as you’ll need it.
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Kim
Drifter
Re: Bypass
4th May 2012 at 12:33PM
Hello there. You may be interested to know about PAULA - Poynton Against Unnecessary Link-roads to the Airport (not my idea!). We met for the first time on Tuesday to discuss the impact of this scheme and the conclusion was that it's utterly useless without the Bredbury section. This can almost certainly never go ahead now, as so many new houses have been built on the propsed route. The road that is being planned will merely extend the already pointless A555 and stop at the A6, causing absolute traffic chaos there. We had quite a few concerned Hazel Grove residents at our meeting. I can give you more details if you like. There are also groups forming in Bramhall and High Lane who we'll try to link up with.
Reading the posts on this forum, I fear that many Hazel Grove residents may believe that the 'useful' bit of the road - ie the part that does actually bypass Hazel Grove - is being reconsidered. It is not. Likewise, plenty of Poynton residents believe they are getting the bypass to the south which they would be in favour of - again, this is not the case and Cheshire East Council have admitted that this will almost certainly never be built. The term 'Bypass' is horribly misleading.
Kim.
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William_Wragg
Hazel Grove MP

William_Wragg
Re: Bypass
5th May 2012 at 11:45PM
Drifter Wrote:

William_Wragg Wrote:

Drifter Wrote:

Can the cllrs tell me where I can access the traffic modelling data for the new relief road. I am sure there was traffic modelling done for the complete SEMMMS project including Bredbury and Stepping hill links, but has there been any done for just the section being built.

I am still not convinced that the relief road will reduce traffic in HG so would be very interested in seeing the evidence for myself before the public consultation.

I assume lots of cash has been spent with a traffic modelling company who produce various animated simulations, are these simulations and supporting data available publicly.

Thanks


I have emailed the lead officer about this today and hope to have a response and further information as soon as possible. I will let you have it when I get it.
Any update on this? Even to tell us that no new traffic modelling has been done. Thanks


I was told that no new modelling has been done, but will need to be as part of the consultation and eventual planning application. As soon as I can get a specific date for this, I will let you know.
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Someone in the
Drifter
Re: Bypass
8th May 2012 at 2:46PM
New moelling has been done, its based on the GMPSM2 SATURN modelling (a program designed to model regional traffic patterns)and has been undertaken by TfGM for the purposes of the Manchester Enterprise Zone.

Consider this - Woodford BAe site was purchased by the JCB owners Bamford family. Not long after, the Airport Enterprise Zone redevelopment is gleefully announced by George Osborne. Not long after that, the SEMMMS half-route to the airport EZ, which incidentally also facilitates the redevelopment of the Woodford site, is taken off the 'no funding' list by the govt and is magically given funding. Recently, we heard Bamford and his wife had a private cosy lunch at Chequers with the PM in August 2010.
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Guest
Drifter
Re: Bypass
14th June 2012 at 10:37AM
Following the WHO announcement this week that diesel fumes cause cancer and the fact that the new relief road will divert the majority of diesel trucks off the A6 along the relief road. I would be interested in the councillors views on measures for protecting families close to the proposed route (Darley Rd etc.) from over exposure to such fumes.
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Coleman
Area Admin

Coleman
Re: Bypass
14th June 2012 at 11:35AM
Oh, i'll add that to the list along with smoking, drinking, eating, sunlight, etc.

Are you asking if they are going to do something to stop any fumes getting to people off the new road? You know like they do on all other roads!

I can guess the answer!
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Drifter
Re: Bypass
14th June 2012 at 11:50AM
Coleman Wrote:

Oh, i'll add that to the list along with smoking, drinking, eating, sunlight, etc.

Are you asking if they are going to do something to stop any fumes getting to people off the new road? You know like they do on all other roads!

I can guess the answer!
The additional diesel fumes from the road are being forced on the residents in those areas 24 hours a day only metres from their back gardens. You can choose to smoke, eat and drink certain items, keep out of sunlight etc. It’s all about the levels of exposure. I think it is a valid question now that we know there is a risk and this is a new road.
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Coleman
Area Admin

Coleman
Re: Bypass
14th June 2012 at 12:25PM
But there are hundreds of busy roads and millions of people living close to them, So what about all those people?

To be honest as much as i know that engine fumes (petrol too) are harmful, i always treat these "this and that cause Cancer" statements with suspicion. I think pretty much everything that has ever existed, anywhere has been linked to Cancer at some point or the other!
I remember reading once that several reports had been done on foods which if taken as gospel would mean that everyone will get cancer, because they linked virtually all of the main staple foods with it! Even things like Potato's, carrots, read meat, white meat, fish, etc!
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Drifter
Re: Bypass
14th June 2012 at 3:16PM
Just trying to concentrate on issues affecting some HG residents at the moment as this is the HG forum.

I would hope that The World Health Organization is a fairly reputable source of information for health matters, so if they recommend that “everyone should try to reduce their exposure to diesel exhaust fumes” then that risk should be part of the design equation when building a new road so close to existing residential properties, especially when a large percentage of the proposed traffic will be diesel trucks.
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