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slight-return
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slight-return
Re: Green Lane Car Park
21st July 2016 at 10:44PM, Edit: 27th July 2016 at 1:23PM by slight-return
For reasons that escape me, I am getting the feeling that you still seem to be dissatisfied with the response you have had from me. I am up for election in a couple of years so you could try your luck with the other lot and see how far you get
I think is sniping.

I did not ask for the barrier, I asked for a solution to ASB, the barrier was proposed as it and I raised a concern about it being a bench. I proposed bollards, this was ignored. Can you see where I am going with this. You consulted one resident, shut the rest down and then did as you promised to build a barrier, but what is the long term plan and next steps. 5 kids all drunk and smoking, reduced from the 30 that were there earlier, there is also still drum and bass playing loudly, a football being kicked and bottles being smashed. If you think the barrier is a success, then you are misguided.

Just to add to that, car doing hand brake turns in the road at 22.47

I can keep going if you like, maybe you can call the police on the special batphone you have!
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Serenity
Citizen

Serenity
Re: Green Lane Car Park
22nd July 2016 at 7:28AM, Edit: 22nd July 2016 at 7:42AM by Serenity
It’s all getting a bit personal slight-return and Oliver.

I know you’re feeling frustrated and angry slight-return but Oliver’s not the enemy here. Give him a chance. I didn’t see anyone else doing much to help before.

The barrier might not have been our idea and whilst it might not be perfect it nonetheless helps to go some way in tackling the various ongoing ASB and parking issues in our area.

Have you (and your neighbours)reported all you’ve seen to the police slight-return. I know that you might have done but have your neighbours done it as well. There’s so much more strength in numbers when trying to tackle ASB. The more we can get involved the better.

ASB is so difficult to remedy especially when it’s near/on a recreational ground. And then there’s that bl**** hut that shields those kids to do drugs and get drunk. One that we’re told has to stay for the footballers.

What would you suggest slight-return as a practical way of dealing with the problem. You’ve had some really good ideas so far,what would you suggest next that might help the council tackle the problem. The bright lights that ASDA use seem to go a long way in deterring ASB but could you live with such lights. Dont think I could.

Oliver you can appreciate why slight-return feels so frustrated and angry and let down by the authorities. This is yet another ongoing problem that has been ignored for many years. Before you no one has even attempted to resolve the problem.

Just another concern that the authorities have allowed to grow by simply ignoring it. To a point where now it has established a real firm negative foothold in the community. One that unfortunately is going to be very difficult to break unless we all work together to try to tackle it.

I’d personally like to see the civic hall being used as a meeting place again, for local residents to meet with our councillors and discuss our concerns like we used to do. The councillors 1-1 meetings at the library are excellent, but they don’t really give resident’s the opportunity to interact with each other and to form and build community relationships to try to tackle these ongoing problems.

That’s the only way forward authorities and residents working together side by side, and for that we need to meet and discuss the problems together😊.

As for the complaints you've recieved about the lack of parking spaces Oliver, presumably from hospital staff, well I suppose the answer is ...that our small area has gone through Stockport councils legal process and as such are legally now entitled to introduce a parking for residents only scheme under the councils legal policy to help rectify the problem created by a lack of parking facilities at the hospital. It has taken many, many years. So sorry that you are getting the earache. But if these complainers can't find a place to park that's not our fault.

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slight-return
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slight-return
Re: Green Lane Car Park
22nd July 2016 at 9:23AM, Edit: 22nd July 2016 at 10:39AM by slight-return
Hi Serenity

Yes, there are at least 2 active residents who contact the police, there was also an ASBO diary that was created and shared with Oliver and the council, we even have an elderly lady who has direct confrontation with the kids who stop her from getting to sleep. She is braver than I am by directly telling them to shut up.

Whilst not knowing the wider and long-term implications, I think bright lights would work but the impact is not known. A quick fix which I also shared with Oliver, which doesn't take much effort or planning - regular police or PCSO patrol until the issue goes away and to remove paving slabs on 3 sides of the hut as they serve no purpose (but act as a dry place to sit for teens), failing that replace them with the concrete pyramids the council use to stop homeless people sleeping. The hut itself will remain the main issue, when it's gone they have nowhere to hide and shelter, but I am not pushing for that as it restricts the football purpose. The strangest thing for me, is when I was their age and doing similar things, my friends and I used to go as far away from view of public as possible. I didn't grow up in Hazel Grove but immediately saw Merles as the place I would have gone as a teen. We also used to go to pubs and snooker halls.

Which brings me on to the next point in a longer term solution, Hazel Grove and surrounding areas offer very little for teens to do. They have no youth club or centre to go and hang out or to talk to some adult about issues and get free condoms. They have a skatepark in one park only. The park and ride could be doubled as a drive in/walk in cinema, arcade, fun fair, skate park, remote control car track or any other purpose where a big lump of tarmac is useful roller disco even, the civic hall or any of the church halls could be a youth club that is low cost/affordable to all. These are all business type idea's but one's that a council is capable of running. However you can take the horse to water, but can't make him drink. So maybe these have all been tried and tested by the council in the past, but I see no innovation to support the future generations, just parents who let them run free and the kids just skulk in dark places.
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boomerang
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boomerang
Re: Green Lane Car Park
23rd July 2016 at 4:35PM
Thats why I hate school holidays, day one kids are bored, the park and ride car park would of been an ideal place for an entertainment centre for the kids.

The council have mentioned the value of land in Stockport and especially in Hazel Grove but boy was this plot of land a wasted opportunity and what of the cost of running it, there was one in Poole many years ago that lost £1000 per week and was soon closed down. Sadly travellers used it more than locals did.

Why doesn't the council put it to better use, close it and re-use it. How about a water park and swimming pool?
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Serenity
Citizen

Serenity
Re: Green Lane Car Park
24th July 2016 at 7:35AM, Edit: 24th July 2016 at 7:50AM by Serenity
I don’t understand slight-return if you've kept an ASBO diary and reported the incidents to the police why have the police not been able to do anything.

At least the barrier has stopped the revving cars/taxies from using the car park as a social gathering at night.

Unfortunately as for the rest of the ASB, it's an extremely difficult,frustrating and very slow process to try to get things done(believe me I know). Especially when you feel that you’re not really being kept in the loop of what's going on.

That’s where the meetings at the civic hall used to be good, as they kept everyone in the picture with regular discussions and updates. And without any one person getting that feeling of ....oh dear it’s me again complaining to my local councillor about xyz. Any sign of getting those meetings back Oliver?

I do however think slight-return that Oliver works extremely hard to try to get things done and to keep us informed by regular updates on here. And he’s always prompt with his replies, unlike some of our past councillors.

We might not always agree with the outcome but as you can appreciate it can’t be easy pleasing everyone all the time. I think that’s why he too seems to get a little frustrated when he seems to feel that he's been accused of doing nothing.

But the main thing is that we all have same positive objectives, be they slow to get realised, which can be frustrating for everyone😊.

About the brighter security lights. Can I ask what you feel that the longer implications of installing brighter lights might be? Would it be an idea to perhaps use them for a short time just to deter these kids from using the car park.

And yes I too hate the thought that these kids feel that they need to turn to drugs, but it is their own personal choice to start taking drugs. And I agree that the sad thing is that no one seems to care where these kids are, or what they are doing.

Stockport homes seems to tackle the problem by approaching the parents to try to re-engage them in bringing up their kids. Very sad thought all round..that parents have somehow stopped engaging with their kids..

I came from a badly thought of council estate (where you could get drugs quite Easily, if you wanted them). I was brought up by my Mum, as my dad died from being an alcoholic. I never really went to pubs or youth clubs as I didn’t much care for them. But I knew that my Mum was always there should I need someone to talk to about anything. She was always there wanted to know where I was going and what time I’d be back. I was brought up always knowing that there was Someone who Always cared for me. And now I do the same things for my kids.

I agree totally with you slight-return that more should be done for our younger generation and I feel that if there were more schemes run, not necessarily more clubs, but more social activities designed to engaage younger people to want to get involved with, that the hope would then be that some of these kids might find a mum figure like mine, or a role model or just someone who cares enough to listen to them and to help build their self esteem before they fall into the futile dark and dismal world of drugs.
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Jenny
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Jenny
Re: Green Lane Car Park
25th July 2016 at 11:25AM
boomerang Wrote:

Thats why I hate school holidays, day one kids are bored, the park and ride car park would of been an ideal place for an entertainment centre for the kids.

The council have mentioned the value of land in Stockport and especially in Hazel Grove but boy was this plot of land a wasted opportunity and what of the cost of running it, there was one in Poole many years ago that lost £1000 per week and was soon closed down. Sadly travellers used it more than locals did.

Why doesn't the council put it to better use, close it and re-use it. How about a water park and swimming pool?


How many times do I need to say on this forum?

The park and ride site is not owned by the council and the council did not fund it. It's a commercial venture by Stagecoach who can do what they like with the site subject to planning regulations.

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Serenity
Citizen

Serenity
Re: Green Lane Car Park
25th July 2016 at 3:07PM, Edit: 25th July 2016 at 3:14PM by Serenity
Land bought and developed on the back of a promise to significantly reduce traffic along the A6.

And as such I'd like to see if nearly a year later this company is delivering it's promise to reduce our roads by 6,000 cars a month ...don't make me laugh..

And yes Jenny whilst the bus company might own the land some of the buses have been partly funded by tax payers money.

From what I can see from passing by the car park nearly everyday this scheme is not working and will NEVER work.

"The £12m fleet of hybrid electric vehicles - part funded by the DfT in 2013 - which will serve the Hazel Grove Park & Ride, will enable our customers to benefit from the latest green technology the industry has to offer while they travel to and from one of the most exciting cities in the UK.

“In the long term, this Park & Ride will also relieve the region’s roads of an estimated 6,000 cars per month, helping us to significantly reduce the level of carbon emissions in the local area.”
I don't see much

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HGrover
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HGrover
Re: Green Lane Car Park
25th July 2016 at 6:32PM
Oliver,

It seems that since the barrier has been installed, the youths are congregating around the changing rooms more than ever. Not sure if this is just coincidence with schools/colleges breaking up or whether the two things are linked.

It is a difficult issue as the youngsters need somewhere to socialise with their friends, but unfortunately, this gets out of hand with shouting, bad language, music being played late at night and certainly some evidence of drug taking.

I feel that those involved in the main do actually know right from wrong and when they are doing wrong, they will attempt to hide around the changing room area. I think that the key to helping resolve the issues is to get the local residents on board as it is in all of our interests to have a place that everyone can enjoy without fear of intimidation and nuisance from criminal activities. One thing that I feel would help is to ask council contractors to trim back well the shrubbery to the front of the park and the rear of the houses on the Neville Street side of the park.

With better sight of things, the local residents are more able to keep an eye on the park to make sure it is safe and enjoyable for all.

We were all young once (in some cases a distant memory!) and we probably all tested the ‘limits’ of how far we could go in different situations, so far from spoiling anyones fun and enjoyment, I think that carrying out this simple improvement may perhaps help. I can’t see it doing any harm.

What do others think?

Just as a side note, contractors fitted the parking restriction signs on Neville Street today, I appreciate that they may not have finished yet, but one sign is completely obscured by overgrown bushes!! Hopefully, someone will come out to rectify this, otherwise there will be many an appeal for anyone ticketed as the sign is completely obscured by foliage.
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Jenny
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Jenny
Re: Green Lane Car Park
25th July 2016 at 7:00PM
Serenity Wrote:

Land bought and developed on the back of a promise to significantly reduce traffic along the A6.

And as such I'd like to see if nearly a year later this company is delivering it's promise to reduce our roads by 6,000 cars a month ...don't make me laugh..

They've done their bit, now it's down to people just like you to use it.

What do you expect Stagecoach to do, stop every car driving down the A6 and demand that they all stop and get on the bus instead?

Stagecoach have given the service, they feel it has value. If the council are serious about tackling problems, they'd be doing their bit to highlight this service, but our councillors are too interested in fighting with each other and trying to make each other look bad, rather than serving the people who they were elected to serve.

Serenity Wrote:

And yes Jenny whilst the bus company might own the land some of the buses have been partly funded by tax payers money.

From what I can see from passing by the car park nearly everyday this scheme is not working and will NEVER work.

"The £12m fleet of hybrid electric vehicles - part funded by the DfT in 2013 - which will serve the Hazel Grove Park & Ride, will enable our customers to benefit from the latest green technology the industry has to offer while they travel to and from one of the most exciting cities in the UK.


The buses were part funded by the DfT (note, not the council and nothing to do with the council) as part of an initiative to encourage bus operators to use greener and more efficient buses rather than the standard diesel buses you commonly see. Stagecoach applied for a grant towards the cost and were successful, the park and ride was not part of that, however it's been implemented by Stagecoach, off their own back, as a bonus.

Would you prefer the derelict wasteland that was there previously? From every post that you've made on the subject recently, I get the impression that you'd prefer to have the wasteland back.

Please, post with facts, not hearsay.

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Jenny
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Jenny
Re: Green Lane Car Park
25th July 2016 at 7:01PM
HGrover Wrote:

One thing that I feel would help is to ask council contractors to trim back well the shrubbery to the front of the park and the rear of the houses on the Neville Street side of the park.


I'm not sure the residents would like having their privacy from the park taken away!
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