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Coleman
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Coleman
Re: Disgusted with the Tories.
6th November 2015 at 3:34PM, Edit: 6th November 2015 at 3:39PM by Coleman
Ok, lets be more specific then and say Income tax!

Of course we all pay V.A.T and Fuel duty etc.

The point is there are far too many who pay no income tax and have discounted council tax, etc. What little taxes they pay they do so with money given to them and not earned!
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cllrkevinhogg
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cllrkevinhogg
Re: Disgusted with the Tories.
6th November 2015 at 5:26PM
Wrong again coleman, a lot of people don't earn enough because they are on zero hour contracts. They would prefer full time work but can't get it and if thfey could would gladly pay income tax, as said they do pay VAT and other hidden taxes.
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Re: Disgusted with the Tories.
6th November 2015 at 8:03PM
cllrkevinhogg Wrote:

They would prefer full time work but can't get it and if thfey could would gladly pay income tax, as said they do pay VAT and other hidden taxes.


You really do talk a lot of nonsense. Try looking on the universal job match web site - there are literally thousands of full time jobs advertised within a 10 mile radius of Stockport Town Centre.

I know its hard, but try sticking to the facts Kevin!

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Serenity
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Serenity
Re: Disgusted with the Tories.
7th November 2015 at 7:08AM, Edit: 7th November 2015 at 7:12AM by Serenity
Blue_Grovers_Henchman Wrote:

cllrkevinhogg Wrote:

They would prefer full time work but can't get it and if thfey could would gladly pay income tax, as said they do pay VAT and other hidden taxes.


You really do talk a lot of nonsense. Try looking on the universal job match web site - there are literally thousands of full time jobs advertised within a 10 mile radius of Stockport Town Centre.

I know its hard, but try sticking to the facts Kevin!



It's true Kevin there are lots of full time jobs out there, if people really wanted to work full time hours, but people make excuses, believe me Kevin I've heard the list. But yes you're right zero hours are not the way out of this mess. No one can plan for the future on a zero hour contract. They're only good for employers so that they can easily get rid of staff when they feel like it.

But I'm not particularly disgusted with the tories as the problems within the benefits system started a long time before they got in. Some people I think you'll never get off the dole because they've been born and bread on it. It's the only way of life that they now know. So these people do need a wake up call. But it's more to do with the culture that being fed from the top that's all wrong no matter who's in power. A culture that leads people to believe that it's ok to want to stay on the dole.

I'm not saying all as some people unfortunately have found themselves on the dole through bad employers exploiting the current job market and undervaluing their staff in lots of ways. I bet if you asked most people who are in work these days do you feel valued they would probably tell you that they didn't anymore. So unless you've been brought up with super strong work ethics that glues you to employment there's not really much reason for you to want to work when the state will keep you anyway. Don't get me wrong I've worked all my life from being 15, but I was lucky and there were lots local jobs paying reasonable wages.

Unfortunately though now most working people feel trapped and undervalued within their current jobs which only leads to feelings of frustration and low self esteem and anger. Especially when there having benefit cheats programs rammed down their throat everynight. These TV companies need to stop glorifying the benefits cheats by turning them into some kind negative role models, something to aspire too it would seem. It might be cheap TV to make but it can't do anything for those people who want to work and stay in work. What messages are these never-ending programs sending out - look this is where your hard earned taxes are going and look we're cheating the system as well.

But lets not just point the finger at those on the dole lets also put the blame on the employers as well because they need to start realising that valuing their staff will get more from them. We all know that money is important factor in a job but providing staff with a feeling of self worth is so much more important because without that and once people start to feel that their integrity is being bought instead of their skills then employees will head for the downward spiral of frustration, anger and resentment, and that just doesn't make for a happy productive staff member does it,only for one that will probably end up on the dole and so it goes on ...




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TwistedBanana
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TwistedBanana
Re: Disgusted with the Tories.
7th November 2015 at 8:30AM, Edit: 7th November 2015 at 8:35AM by TwistedBanana
Hmm, interesting points about there being "lots of jobs out there"

Two years ago I found myself out of work, I had to go through the "job search" I had to use whatever resources I could to get a job. I ended up being out of work for six months. I heard comments that indicated that maybe I could have found work quicker, maybe I could have done something more menial while I was looking.


Let me give you all a few home truths about the "abundance" of jobs on the job market. I am going to mention a wage in this for the sake of clarity, it isn't my wage (I wish) but it helps me get my point over

1. I went through a 3 interview process with one company for a job that paid £80,000, my previous job had paid £90,000. I got down to the last few candidates, my credentials were far superior to the other candidates, I interview well. I didn't get the job because I was actually taking a pay cut, they thought I was using them as an interim measure, they employed a guy whose previous role had earned him £60,000 as they thought he would appreciate it. That interview process took 8 weeks

2. I missed out on a role because I was unemployed, they wanted to poach somebody, they felt that person would come to them because he wanted to work for them not because he was just looking for a job

3. I missed out on a role because I had missed out on two others and the employer thought he may have missed something that the other potential employers had picked up on.

4. I missed out on a role because I had been out of work for 5 months, the employer intimated that maybe there was an issue with my "want to work"

5. I missed out on a role because I was 46 (I know that employers cant legally do this but we all know they do). Once over 45 you are hitting the awkward age for employability

5. The jobsites are a feckin joke, they are riddled with jobs that don't actually exist, these are to make you apply and submit your CV. Once they have this, the agent can hopefully match you up to a role that suits somewhere down the line should one come along

Please please don't look at universal job match sites and think there are lots of jobs out there, the fact is there isn't, its a fallacy

If there is one industry that is in dire need of regulation it is employment agencies. These companies are generally nothing short of a disgrace, they employ massively on commission schemes, thus treating people as a "box shift"

Summary, there are not lots of jobs out there, there are lots of candidates for every job.

Employers love zero hour contracts as it allows them to be non-committal
These contracts are the biggest threat to this countries economy for 100 years, we are about to see the biggest brain drain in migrational history. We have a generation of youngsters who no matter how well they are educated will struggle to find relevant work, they will struggle to get on the property ladder, their parents are living longer so inheritance hits them at retirement age not as a middle age.

They have the option of taking on a zero hours contract, working with no protection, working with an unknown future, working without the security to plan, unable to get a mortgage as they have no stable income.

Am I coming at this bitterly? No, I eventually found gainful employment by going on my own and setting up a business, not ideal, not what I wanted to do but needs must and it keeps the wolf from the door. My eldest child is employed and excelling, so much so he is up for an award in a certain category of awards given out by the local council (I wont say what as he wouldn't want this on here). I am coming at this as somebody who has a social conscience and isn't blinded by the neo-liberal media.

I will be encouraging my off-spring to get the hell off this sinking ship and make themselves a decent life and a decent living elsewhere

So Serenity, for want of a better way of putting it, in this case you are talking through your bottom

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Mozza
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Mozza
Re: Disgusted with the Tories.
7th November 2015 at 8:33AM
And to pull this back to my point, this is the in fighting that the Tories like us to partake in.

So now we're not directing out ire towards the rich boys who are robbing us of millions, we're worrying about some people taking £79 off us.

I'm watching a police chief inspector worry about not having enough police to properly run his force. Whatever these Conservatives say, whether it's junior doctors or police...you've got to listen to the people that are doing the job, instead of blindly putting policies in place that are putting the public in danger.

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Mozza
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Mozza
Re: Disgusted with the Tories.
7th November 2015 at 8:38AM
TwistedBanana Wrote:

Hmm, interesting points about there being "lots of jobs out there"

Two years ago I found myself out of work, I had to go through the "job search" I had to use whatever resources I could to get a job. I ended up being out of work for six months. I heard comments that indicated that maybe I could have found work quicker, maybe I could have done something more menial while I was looking.


Let me give you all a few home truths about the "abundance" of jobs on the job market. I am going to mention a wage in this for the sake of clarity, it isn't my wage (I wish) but it helps me get my point over

1. I went through a 3 interview process with one company for a job that paid £80,000, my previous job had paid £90,000. I got down to the last few candidates, my credentials were far superior to the other candidates, I interview well. I didn't get the job because I was actually taking a pay cut, they thought I was using them as an interim measure, they employed a guy whose previous role had earned him £60,000 as they thought he would appreciate it. That interview process took 8 weeks

2. I missed out on a role because I was unemployed, they wanted to poach somebody, they felt that person would come to them because he wanted to work for them not because he was just looking for a job

3. I missed out on a role because I had missed out on two others and the employer thought he may have missed something that the other potential employers had picked up on.

4. I missed out on a role because I had been out of work for 5 months, the employer intimated that maybe there was an issue with my "want to work"

5. I missed out on a role because I was 46 (I know that employers cant legally do this but we all know they do). Once over 45 you are hitting the awkward age for employability

5. The jobsites are a feckin joke, they are riddled with jobs that don't actually exist, these are to make you apply and submit your CV. Once they have this, the agent can hopefully match you up to a role that suits somewhere down the line should one come along

Please please don't look at universal job match sites and think there are lots of jobs out there, the fact is there isn't, its a fallacy

If there is one industry that is in dire need of regulation it is employment agencies. These companies are generally nothing short of a disgrace, they employ massively on commission schemes, thus treating people as a "box shift"

Summary, there are not lots of jobs out there, there are lots of candidates for every job.

Employers love zero hour contracts as it allows them to be non-committal
These contracts are the biggest threat to this countries economy for 100 years, we are about to see the biggest brain drain in migrational history. We have a generation of youngsters who no matter how well they are educated will struggle to find relevant work, they will struggle to get on the property ladder, their parents are living longer so inheritance hits them at retirement age not as a middle age.

They have the option of taking on a zero hours contract, working with no protection, working with an unknown future, working without the security to plan, unable to get a mortgage as they have no stable income.

Am I coming at this bitterly? No, I eventually found gainful employment by going on my own and setting up a business, not ideal, not what I wanted to do but needs must and it keeps the wolf from the door. My eldest child is employed and excelling, so much so he is up for an award in a certain category of awards given out by the local council (I wont say what as he wouldn't want this on here). I am coming at this as somebody who has a social conscience and isn't blinded by the neo-liberal media.

I will be encouraging my off-spring to get the hell off this sinking ship and make themselves a decent life and a decent living elsewhere

So Serenity, for want of a better way of putting it, in this case you are talking through your bottom



Good post. The reality of those hundreds of jobs are not what they seem.
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Serenity
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Serenity
Re: Disgusted with the Tories.
7th November 2015 at 10:06AM, Edit: 7th November 2015 at 10:10AM by Serenity
I know twistedbanana I often speak out of my bottom, can't be helped. But I still feel that there are lots of jobs out there to be had. Perhaps not in the field that you were looking in, which was probably quite a specialised area so you wouldn't have probably found that many. But for those less qualified than yourself there are jobs that are available and could be filled.

Yes the job centre isn't much good at finding you a job - it's part of the problem, because the people who work there are less enthusiastic than you are so at a time when your looking for a helping hand it makes job searching pretty hard and staying on the dole pretty easy. But like you have said you have to look for other ways to find work, because when all said and done if you want to work and are prepared to work there is work to be had. But whether it's the right work for you is another matter.

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TwistedBanana
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TwistedBanana
Re: Disgusted with the Tories.
7th November 2015 at 10:17AM, Edit: 7th November 2015 at 10:18AM by TwistedBanana
Sorry Serenity, you really are wrong on this. I deliberately hid my trade and my salary in the post so I couldn't be pigeon holed. There really are very few jobs out there outside of the zero hours contracts. There is a job merry go round for those employed but for those on the dole there is very little out there

Please do not believe what you are being fed, there is nothing out there, the country is creaking at the seams, the job market is screwed. Graduates with diplomas and heaps of student debt, struggle for work, the unemployed are written off, once out of work for more than a few months it becomes a very difficult track back, its a spiralling pit that is a killer to get out of. The "back to work" support groups are run by fuckwits who have no idea of the real world.

I despair when I hear people say "there is plenty of work out there if people are prepared to go out and look", there just isn't, believe me,there really isnt
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Serenity
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Serenity
Re: Disgusted with the Tories.
7th November 2015 at 11:07AM, Edit: 7th November 2015 at 11:25AM by Serenity
I know what you're saying twistedbanana, I too was unemployed a few years back, and despair was exactly what I felt. Perhaps back then there were more jobs to be had or at least I was lucky enough to find them. Not easy and not exactly what I wanted to do or was qualified to do but it was work and I didn't want to keep signing on as I felt demoralised by the process. So since then times must have got so much worse to say that there are no real jobs to be had.

I was bought up to feel that being unemployed was not an option. But today (and I'm not including everyone signing on)I saw first hand that a large majority of people that I came across at the job centre were quite happy to stay signing on no matter what they were offered.

I agree that the process doesn't work with all the stupid waste of time courses only meant to tick the right boxes and do nothing more. Close the job centres they're a waste of public money and we'll save a fortune. There must be a better way.



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