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Poynton road scheme - tried it yet?

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Coleman
Good Citizen

Coleman
Re: Poynton road scheme - tried it yet?
2nd May 2012 at 11:24AM
Adora is right!

Hazel grove does need a revamp, The only reason it isn't happening is because no one is making it happen and the area could be so much better!

With the A6 running through it as it does and the volume of traffic on the A6 that we have (which i am still convinced isn't going to reduce with the new road) there is no way that any form of shared space scheme will work here. However what is right for one place is almost never right for other places anyway!

There are hundreds of ways that Hazel grove could be improved, if only the people in a position too got something done about it!

It astounds me that a place like Hazel grove with the amount of potential passing trade we have, the half decent train links and 192 bus route can't pick itself up and get a much needed renovation.
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Robot69
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Robot69
Re: Poynton road scheme - tried it yet?
2nd May 2012 at 11:37AM
As much as I agree with your sentiments about HG and Poynton Adora I don't feel that the Fountain Place refurb. would be appropriate for the main drag through HG - Fiveways maybe - but not the A6.

The improvement of HG could not be totally financed by SMBC and nor should it. But here is the catch 22; HG needs to attract the big players with the big money. Then the residents (and the councillors jumping on the bandwaggon) would complain (Tesco is an example) about the extra traffic those big players would bring and to a certain extent thatís a valid point.

The A6 is nearing capacity (some would argue its already there) and the only way we can accommodate more 'local' traffic is to remove the traffic that use HG as a cut through to the wider motorway network. The Airport relief road, I think, will allow that to happen to a small degree but itís the bypass that would have the biggest impact. The Airport only got the nod because itís a quick win by CENTRAL government and to meet the requirements of the Airport to expand.

HG needs to go more family orientated i.e if bars are to be introduced then 50% (min) of takings should be based on food. I can't think of one place in the Grove that serves the quality dining experience. Perhaps rates on business units need to be looked at to induce smaller businesses to come to the Grove i.e 3-6 months free rent. TBH, there are not that many empty units in the Grove Ė less than some places!

There has been some talk about a high end cycle shop just up from the Rising Sun and that the ĎBossí is Ďhelpingí with there planning permission (I have asked why they need help but as he must have blocked my posts). I know this company is weighing up two possibilities, HG and one in Poynton so if the councillor is persuading them to come to HG then thatís great. Its this type of company HG should be attracting and Iím surprised we havenít got an Ďoutdoorí type of shop given we are on the edge of the Peak District although we do have a couple within five miles away.

Just my thoughts!
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Adora
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Adora
Re: Poynton road scheme - tried it yet?
2nd May 2012 at 12:02PM

Well like I said Robot, it might not be a shared space candidate but the point I'm making is that it needs a fairly substantial overhaul and that can be achieved if there's enough will, brains and dedication but it's a huge job and there's not many who would be willing to take it on.

I agree with your points re: outdoor and family orientated business. Mind, I thought that the caravan/motorhome business should have done OK in the old Saab garage but it didn't :-( Good luck to the bike enterprise though :-)

The big players will always attract a no vote. But big players also bring in the customers. Boots, WH Smith etc would increase footfall massively in the Grove but they won't come here as things stand at the moment. Yes, the full HG bypass would almost certainly solve a squillion problems but it ain't happening in our lifetime, so what can we do now? And it's that question I'm attempting to aggitate now!

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OliverJohnstone
Hazel Grove Councillor

OliverJohnstone
Re: Poynton road scheme - tried it yet?
2nd May 2012 at 12:34PM
It is not the case that I disagree Adora - as I do wholeheartedly with you.

As for the Poynton Councillors, I shall be working very closely with them in the coming years as they are merged with our constituency.

However, it is not simply a case of political will. The local Councillors in a ward are not the executive decision makers on a project like this - merely the voice of the residents or representatives of them. On the case of Hazel Grove I think the chance of it being granted is almost non existent, at least until the bypass is fully completed.
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Adora
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Adora
Re: Poynton road scheme - tried it yet?
2nd May 2012 at 1:01PM, Edit: 2nd May 2012 at 1:04PM by Adora
The full HG bypass isn't happening.

The Poynton bypass isn't happening either. The airport link is not the Poynton bypass.

The Poynton councillors figured out that they weren't getting a bypass any time soon, they had a massive traffic headache (26,000+ vehicles per day going in 4 different directions) and their village/town centre was dog-eared, ill prepared for the future increases in traffic and in need of a solution. They consulted the experts. They formulated an idea. They went hammer and tong for funding. They made it happen. The team consisted of local councillors as well as borougher execs etc.

So, what have we got?

No bypass coming soon.

A huge traffic headache which isn't going to go away and therefore requires a fresh management approach with some thinking outside the box.

A large suburb, the 'heart' of which is a srip of road consisting of pubs, cafes, estate agents, charity shops and some specialist shops.

£3 to £4 million quid could produce a better traffic management solution (lose half the bloody traffic lights for a start), a revamped strip, better parking, etc.

Net result - up the ante in HG, play to our strengths and an increase in house prices.

Local councillors can't see this through? Can't initiate this process? Wouldn't be part of the revitalisation committee? Wouldn't be in any of the positions handed out around the council who do make these decisions?

OK, well lets get back to voting on lollipop ladies, phone masts and mini black bins.

As you were.

(And always will be because there's nowt to be done until the mythical bypass rises from the ashes and comes to save us.)

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Adora
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Adora
Re: Poynton road scheme - tried it yet?
2nd May 2012 at 1:17PM

Our local candidates for the May 2012 local elections are going around the Grove stirring up apathy.

(With apologies to William Whitelaw).

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hgres
Drifter
Re: Poynton road scheme - tried it yet?
2nd May 2012 at 2:35PM
Adora Wrote:

The full HG bypass isn't happening.

The Poynton bypass isn't happening either. The airport link is not the Poynton bypass.

The Poynton councillors figured out that they weren't getting a bypass any time soon, they had a massive traffic headache (26,000+ vehicles per day going in 4 different directions) and their village/town centre was dog-eared, ill prepared for the future increases in traffic and in need of a solution. They consulted the experts. They formulated an idea. They went hammer and tong for funding. They made it happen. The team consisted of local councillors as well as borougher execs etc.

So, what have we got?

No bypass coming soon.

A huge traffic headache which isn't going to go away and therefore requires a fresh management approach with some thinking outside the box.

A large suburb, the 'heart' of which is a srip of road consisting of pubs, cafes, estate agents, charity shops and some specialist shops.

£3 to £4 million quid could produce a better traffic management solution (lose half the bloody traffic lights for a start), a revamped strip, better parking, etc.

Net result - up the ante in HG, play to our strengths and an increase in house prices.

Local councillors can't see this through? Can't initiate this process? Wouldn't be part of the revitalisation committee? Wouldn't be in any of the positions handed out around the council who do make these decisions?

OK, well lets get back to voting on lollipop ladies, phone masts and mini black bins.

As you were.

(And always will be because there's nowt to be done until the mythical bypass rises from the ashes and comes to save us.)

Not been on this forum long, but this is the most sense I have read so far.

I drive the Poynton route every day and the main problem is the double roundabout that is difficult to navigate, you have to keep checking who you are giving way to, and from where.

I agree totally that the airport relief road will not be our saviour and that a better revitalisation approach is required.

Take a look the Poynton approach and the regeneration of BAE Woodford, get the community involved and create some working groups to get ideas and opinions. Instead of doing everything behind closed doors as is the case with the design of the relief road, get the community involved, that way we wonít end up with a tarmac eyesore on the cheap but maybe a well designed, landscaped road that will benefit transport and maintain the amenity for everyone.

Continue this approach; get peopleís opinions that actually live in Hazel Grove and you may just get some good ideas, who knows.
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Robot69
Citizen

Robot69
Re: Poynton road scheme - tried it yet?
2nd May 2012 at 3:41PM
What is the community involvement in BAE Woodford....I thought that was some rich bloke (Mr JCB) splashing some cash.
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hgres
Drifter
Re: Poynton road scheme - tried it yet?
2nd May 2012 at 4:34PM
Robot69 Wrote:

What is the community involvement in BAE Woodford....I thought that was some rich bloke (Mr JCB) splashing some cash.

There were a number of design workshops with a cross-section of local people and interest groups (different ages etc)following a public consultation.

The main website http://www.futurewoodford.co.uk with all the detail has been removed, but some of the blog is still available at http://woodfordaerodromedesignworkshop.wordpress.com.

Some additional info at http://www.cheshireeast.gov.uk/environment_and_planning/planning/spatial_planning/major_developments/woodford_bae_systems_site.aspx

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nedsram
Townsperson

nedsram
Re: Poynton road scheme - tried it yet?
6th May 2012 at 9:44PM
OliverJohnstone Wrote:

As for the Poynton Councillors, I shall be working very closely with them in the coming years as they are merged with our constituency.

That will be over the dead body of the vast majority of Poynton people - including all of the councillors whose views I am acquainted with.
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